tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post114519836437146684..comments2023-06-24T05:47:10.591-04:00Comments on Random Ramblings of an E-Fed Lifer: Tapping Out, pt. 2THhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04977267178012975979noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-70700081157356786582007-04-12T20:43:00.000-04:002007-04-12T20:43:00.000-04:00This is a basic principle of wrestling psychology....This is a basic principle of wrestling psychology. Faces don't tap (often), because they lose heat as a result. Usually a lot. But heels don't lose heat if they tap; if anything they gain in heel heat, or can parley their reaction into same.<BR/><BR/>By the same token, heels should not have submission finishers, barring they are the type character that avoids confrontation with real opponents in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145372698009198922006-04-18T11:04:00.000-04:002006-04-18T11:04:00.000-04:00I agree with Jamar, and with JA's post in general....I agree with Jamar, and with JA's post in general. For the record, I was the one arguing with BigDaddy about people never being able to tap out. I think it's nothing more than a pride/ego thing. Beast has tapped out tons of times, and gee, he's had enough heat to win two world championships. Like mentioned above, it's easy to explain away a tap - you tapped not because you couldn't take the pain,Beasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023268431797130303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145329351687943082006-04-17T23:02:00.000-04:002006-04-17T23:02:00.000-04:00I actually enjoyed the idea of 'tapping out' (Than...I actually enjoyed the idea of 'tapping out' (Thanks TAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ) and it's induction into western wrestling. the three-arm fall and ring the bell style of counting submissions was always hard to sell, and tapping seemed more graceful. The shit hurts, I'll tap out. There's less problems with that, as opposed to say, passing out from the pain.<BR/><BR/>People need to get over themselves.Jamarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06454446871500825998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145309060759825782006-04-17T17:24:00.000-04:002006-04-17T17:24:00.000-04:00Too me having a character thet never taps out woul...Too me having a character thet never taps out would be more of a character liability than a benefit.<BR/><BR/>Look at it from an MMA standpoint. Fighters don't necessarily tap out because they are in more pain than they can possibly bear. They do it because they have been caught in a hold from which they cannot escape and if they remain thus they could risk serious - perhaps career ending - Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145302437885785142006-04-17T15:33:00.000-04:002006-04-17T15:33:00.000-04:00"Deep" was me, because I'm so cool =PSome people a..."Deep" was me, because I'm so cool =P<BR/><BR/>Some people are anal about their characters, and it pisses a fedhead off no end because it restricts (often needlessly) how we can handle things. "Never submits!" is irritating, but for some handlers it will seem justified. Pro wrestlers in real life often build a reputation of being invincible out of never having submitted, and a handler might want Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145294212980639582006-04-17T13:16:00.000-04:002006-04-17T13:16:00.000-04:00I agree with the premise in general, though I do t...I agree with the premise in general, though I do think there is room to work with the idea in practice. For example, Hida added that he never taps in his profile for A1E. Unfortunately, the person writing his match against Jack Gilkison missed the updated profile, and Hida ended up tapping out. There was a long argument about this on the BC board (mainly between me and one other person) about BigDaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08333785678502178645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145269512625446772006-04-17T06:25:00.000-04:002006-04-17T06:25:00.000-04:00No problem with people tapping - come on, Sting, B...No problem with people tapping - come on, Sting, Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Ken Shamrock, et al, hardly killed the heat of their opponents by making them tap. Of course, they also had the ability to win matches by pinfall, but whatever makes sense for the match itself is fine. If anything, a rubber match could use a submission finisher to INCREASE both guys heat - in a huge, mega-blow-off match, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145217115304506792006-04-16T15:51:00.000-04:002006-04-16T15:51:00.000-04:00if people say that their wrestler never taps .. an...if people say that their wrestler never taps .. and this person isnt a huge monster type .. you know, the ones who are so jakked that you can't get their legs in a figure four without breaking your knees ... well, i still make 'em tap if it comes down to making the match more enjoyable.<BR/><BR/>-edmundsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145204337110021692006-04-16T12:18:00.000-04:002006-04-16T12:18:00.000-04:00This was well thought out. I've thought about thi...This was well thought out. I've thought about this a few times and realized that it was true. Sarge has won a few matches now... I think he's sitting at 10 to 15 wins or something like that... only one is by his finisher, which is a submission. Meanwhile, people with non-submission finishing moves use their finishers to win matches a little more frequently.<BR/><BR/>At first I thought I Josh Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07140856550103888577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145200547906092862006-04-16T11:15:00.000-04:002006-04-16T11:15:00.000-04:00:pI actually pressed the submit button accidentall...:p<BR/><BR/>I actually pressed the submit button accidentally before I typed anything.<BR/><BR/>Now read this entry now that I've finished it!THhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977267178012975979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14289810.post-1145200297228815572006-04-16T11:11:00.000-04:002006-04-16T11:11:00.000-04:00Deep.Deep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com